you never miss an episode of "the five" that's it for us. "special report" is next. how many firefighterfight how many fighters is president obama's administration sending to fight isis? about 5 dozen. this is "special report." >> good evening. welcome to washington. i'm bret baier. one day after president obama reiterated his intention to degrade and destroy isis his defense secretary was on the defensive on capitol hill. and jaws were dropping when he revealed the size of the force the u.s. is training to go into battle against the brutal but resourceful terror group. correspondent kevin corke has our top story from the white house. >> reporter: it was the kind of blunt assessment that the senate

armed services committee asked for. but it didn't make it any easier to hear. >> as of july 3rd we are currently training about 60 fighters. >> reporter: a stunning admission for a program that's been called an essential part of white house strategy to defeat isis. just 60 syrian volunteers being trained by u.s. forces to battle the terror group in syria. a shockingly low number and far fewer still than the 90 volunteers defense secretary carter claimed were being trained back in may. >> this number is much smaller than we'd hoped for at this point. >> i got to tell you after four years, mr. secretary, that's not a very impressive number. >> reporter: the administration's initial plans called for up to 300 trainees per class to undergo six to eight weeks of training before joining the fight. the goal? train up to 5400 fighters every year. but to date a mere 60 have been cleared for training while another 7,000 are still being vetted. white house officials expressed disappointment at the low number but defended the vigorous vetting process. >> clearly that number is not

enough. what we need to do is continue to accelerate that training and equipment program. >> reporter: the administration's three-phased strategy to counter isis in iraq and syria includes air strikes to slow the group's territorial advances. major offensives to reclaim lost territory and weaken their military capability. and expanded training to produce enough local fighters to battle isis on the ground. >> this will not be quick. this is a long-term campaign. >> reporter: meanwhile, yesterday at the pentagon the president called the fight against isis a generational battle for hearts and minds. >> ideologies are not defeated with guns. they're defeated by better ideas. more attractive and more compelling vision. >> reporter: an assessment that was mocked back on capitol hill. >> when it comes to isil president obama's comments yesterday at the pentagon reveal a disturbing degree of self-delusion that characterizes the administration's thinking. >> reporter: and we have major news to report tonight involving the u.s. armed forces. we have learned that tomorrow the army is expected to announce

that some 40,000 soldiers will be cut from its ranks over the next two years, and that will impact both domestic and international posts as well. along with that bret 17,000 army civilian employees are expected to be laid off. >> kevin corke live on the north lawn thank you. the taliban is claiming responsibility for a suicide car bombing attack on a nato convoy in afghanistan. officials say at least two people were wounded when the blasts went off on a road in eastern kabul. no americans were hurt. hillary clinton is sticking with her story about those controversial e-mails. personal e-mail addresses and servers while secretary of state. clinton just gave her first major interview as a democratic presidential candidate this time around. correspondent peter duesy is here tonight with a breakdown. >> reporter: the big headline from hillary's first national tv interview as a candidate, she still doesn't think there was anything wrong with running her own e-mail server then deleting

about 30,000 messages that she says were not work-related. >> let's take a deep breath here. everything i did was permitted by law and regulation. i had one device when i mailed anybody in the government it would go into the government's system. now, i didn't have to turn over anything. i chose to turn over 55,000 pages. >> reporter: and this evening, candidate clinton also weighed in on what has become an important debate about sanctuary cities saying san francisco made a mistake by allowing the known criminal and repeat deportee francisco sanchez, to stick around long enough to by his own admission, murder kathryn steinly in cold blood. but clinton suggests that if sanchez's record was a little shorter, then this would be a tougher call to make. >> i have absolutely no support for a city that ignores the

strong evidence that should be acted on. however, there are like if it were the first time traffic, you know citation if it were something minor, a misdemeanor, that's entirely different. >> reporter: here today in iowa clinton revealed she knows reporters complained about being corralled like cattle with rope while trying to take pictures of her. based on her reaction, she's not too concerned. >> nick. >> yes ma'am. >> is that the equipment [ inaudible ]? >> i think it should come down. i don't want anybody feeling stressed. >> we can do that. >> reporter: sitting for an interview marks a shift in the clinton press strategy. so why did she do it? well bernie sanders, the socialist senator is surging. the sanders campaign has a bumper sticker that says feel the burn. now it seems the clinton campaign is starting to feel the heat. bret? >> peter duesy, thank you. the san francisco sheriff just referenced is defending his

office's decision to release a repeat offender and multiple-time deportee now accused as you heard of killing a young woman walking on the pier. the case has reignited the controversy over immigration in general and san francisco's sanctuary policy in particular. it is all playing out as part of the 2016 presidential race just referenced in that report. we have fox team coverage. carl cameron in the bureau with the unintended consequences of donald trump's statements about mexican immigrants. we begin with correspondent claudia cowen live again tonight from san francisco. hi claudia. >> reporter: his bret. well despite his jailhouse confession over the weekend, just minutes ago an anxious-looking francisco sanchez pleaded not guilty to murder. he's being held on $5 million bail as authorities at all levels of government try to figure out how this man slipped through the cracks. local law enforcement and federal authorities are playing a very public blame game as each

accuses the other of allowing a seven-time felon with a long rap sheet to be set free. francisco sanchez had been in federal custody for four years when he was handed over to san francisco authorities in march to answer for an old bench warrant on a minor drug charge. a transfer that was supposed to be temporary because he was going to be deported back to mexico for the sixth time. after those charges were dismissed, the sheriff's department released sanchez without notifying immigration and customs enforcement. less than three months later, by his own admission, sanchez shot and killed 32-year-old kate steinly on a popular san francisco pier. local authorities say if the feds wanted sanchez back they should have issued an arrest warrant. >> they knew his history. they knew his history with deportations. we did not. they could have taken measures when they brought him here to make sure that there was a warrant or a judicial order which we would honor. >> reporter: at a senate hearing in washington i.c.e. officials were on the defensive. >> tell me specifically what is

preventing us when we have people in this country illegally and they have had seven prior felony convictions, why aren't we able to deport those individuals? >> in that particular case our detainer was not honored. >> who didn't honor it? >> san francisco sheriff's department did not honor our detain that are we lodged. >> reporter: now in the hot seat san francisco's mayor ed li issued a statement saying the city's sanctuary law was never intended to protect repeat serious and violent felons. amid the growing scandal he called for an investigation about what happened by the local and federal agencies involved. former san francisco mayor, senator diane feinstein, released a statement this afternoon saying sanchez should not have been released. and she's looking into additional federal legislation to prevent this kind of thing frfr happening again. and bret as for francisco sanchez, he and all the lawyers are due back in court here at the hall of justice on july

22nd. >> claudia cowan live in san francisco. thank you. that situation in san francisco is complicating matters for republican presidential candidates trying to walk a fine line on the volatile immigration issue. and donald trump, while getting an outpouring of support in some quarters also continues to pay an economic price for some of his comments. chief political correspondent carl cameron has that part of the story tonight. >> reporter: exactly three weeks after his controversial presidential announcement speech in which he claimed illegal immigrants from mexico are creating a crime wave of rape and murder in the u.s. donald trump's international empire has taken another body blow. the professional golfer's association today announced the 33rd pga grand slam in october will not be held at the trump national golf club of l.a. as originally planned because of trump's political turmoil. the pga and trump three months ago signed a multiyear deal to bring the grand slam of golf back to the u.s. mainland for the first time in 20 years. trump's campaign issued a statement saying "due to the

controversy surrounding statements made by mr. trump having to do with illegal immigrants pour into the united states from mexico and other parts of the world, mr. trump does not want his friends at the pga of america to suffer any consequences of backlash with respect to the grand slam of golf. trump's controversial assertion that the u.s. has become a dumping ground for undocumented mexican criminals has hit home in other ways. some workers on trump's $200 million luxury hotel project in the old post office pavilion just five blocks from the white house he hopes to occupy in d.c. immigrated here and in some cases remain here illegally according to workers quoted by the "washington post." trump's top attorney told the paper that are contractor lendlease does the hiring and quote the obligation to check all workers on-site is exclusive to lendlease. former governor george pitaki has now challenged the donald to debate quote mano y mano. >> the comments he's made has allowed people who don't want a debate on illegal immigration to

find a distraction. >> reporter: it's created distraction from more. rubio was touting his education agenda better than the past of bush and clinton. this was his first big speech and he got trumped. ohio governor and expected to soon be presidential candidate john kasich will be in our center seat at the bottom of the hour. there will be some questions for him right now go. to facebook.com/bretbairsr. up next europe tells greece to get with the program now. first here's what some of our fox affiliates across the krunt covering tonight. fox 5 in indianapolis says fbi agents and indiana state police raid the home of subway restaurant spokesman jared fogel. fbi sources tell fox 59 it's in connection to a child pornography investigation. the former employee of foeg el's foundation has already been

charged with production and possession of child pornography. subway says it is very concerned about the raid. q 13 fox in seattle where extremely dangerous conditions are making it difficult to recover the body of a 34-year-old woman who was buried when ice caves partially collapsed about 70 miles from the city. five other people were injured there. and this is a live look at miami from our fox affiliate wsvn. the big story there tonight, carnival cruises says it will soon offer trips from miami to cuba that would make carnival the first american cruise company to visit the island nation since 1960 trade embargo was put in place. u.s. and cuba plan to reopen embassies in washington and havana later this month. that's tonight's live look outside the beltway from "special report." we'll be right back.

european officials say greece needs to embrace a sense of urgency in its attempts to

work out a plan to rescue its floundering economy. those officials are less than impressed by greece's response so far. senior foreign affairs correspondent greg palkot has the latest tonight from athens. >> reporter: it's crunch time in the greek de debt crisis. eurozone leaders gathering in brussels for an emergency summit to try to come up with a plan to save greece from going bankrupt and exiting the euro common currency. there is no time to waste. >> translator: what i say is, it is not about weeks anymore. it's about a few days. >> reporter: that's an understatement. angry scenes outside of greek banks tell the tale. even with capital controls in place, banks are run dangerously low of funds. greek businesses hit hard by government cuts are staggering. and while last sunday's referendum win against e.u. austerity measures was what greek prime minister alexis tsipras wanted it could make it harder for him to do a deal. >> with this strong vote it will be very difficult for him

to accept deflationary measures and cuts in wages and pensions. >> reporter: tsipras's first compromise since replacing his finance minister hated by the e.u. with a more diplomatic man who attended his first euro group meeting today. greek officials still managed to roughly feathers too, reportingly arriving in brussels with no new firm debt bailout proposal. what greece is said to be discussing is a bridge loan of several billion dollars to cover the country's costs until a longer-term deal might be ready in return for greek reforms and cuts similar to ones already discussed. president obama continues to straddle the e.u. fence, calling both german chancellor merkel and greek prime minister tsipras. >> the fact that they're meeting right now as we speak is good because it's necessary for an agreement to be reached. >> reporter: a short while ago,

grim european union leaders emerged from the summit calling it the most serious moment in the history of the e.u. they've given greece until thursday to come up with a detailed bailout plan and on sunday the e.u. will meet and basically decide if greece stays in the eurozone or has to give up the euro. for his part greek prime minister tsipras claims that he presented a bailout plan. it shows you how far apart the two sides are. breath. >> grel palrks mpblgts /* /*. puerto rico's governor is upset an appeals court ruling striking down puerto rican legislation giving the municipalities the right to enter bankruptcy. puerto rico is facing $72 billion in public debt. also today, hillary clinton said congress and the administration should give the territory the same ability to negotiate as u.s. municipalities and

corporations. the administration has already said it will not provide a bailout. stocks today were back in positive territory. the dow was up 93. the s&p 500 finished ahead 13. the nasdaq gained 5 1/2. the national transportation safety board says two people who were in a small plane that collided with an f-16 fighter jet over south carolina today are dead. burning aircraft parts rained down on the ground below. the air force says the jet pilot ejected and is apparently not hurt. no word tonight on what led to that collision. still ahead, he's not an official candidate yet, but ohio governor john kasich tells us what he would do if he were president. that's later in our center seat segment. first, double overtime. in the i

two americans were gored today on the first day of the running of the bulls in pamplona spain. a 30-year-old britain was also gored. three other americans were hurt mostly with bruises from the falls. always interesting to see. another day, another missed deadline, and another new deadline in the iran nuclear talks. chief washington correspondent james rosen reports tonight from vienna austria on what's taking so long. >> reporter: with the russian, chinese and british foreign ministers gone secretary of state john kerry and iranian foreign minister hunkered down working under a new deadline of friday july 10th. or maybe not. u.s. officials said they expect to know whether a deal is in the offing in the near-term but wouldn't rule out further extensions. >> there's no specific reason for why the 10th was chosen other than that's when the ministers together decided that

that was a good date to put out there. >> the iranians so far have not yet been able to sign on the dotted line on a final agreement that reflects the broad parameter that is were established back in april. >> reporter: senator marco rubio of florida, a republican candidate for president, discovered at the extension and called for an end to quote the charade. >> ultimately i'm convinced that john kerry and barack obama want a deal worse than the ayatollah in iran does. it puts us in a very tenuous and disadvantaged negotiating posture. >> reporter: critics charge after the first ten years of a final deal iran will be able to ramp up its centrifuge instags. an official shot back their glide path is limited by technology. you can only go so far so fast the official said. given the parameter that is were agreed to in loussanne it limits it. >> the u.s. has made most of the

major concessions the iranians are trying to squeeze out last-minute concessions. but this sort of looking tough, acting tough are last minute theatrics for domestic audiences so that president obama can say he hung tough for the best deal. >> reporter: u.s. officials also spelled out their plans to revise existing u.n. security council resolutions that deal with iran's ballistic missile stockpile. in doing so a top aide to president obama cold reporters here that iran does have a right to have conventional missiles. bret? >> james rosen traveling with secretary kerry in vienna thanks. today south carolina state senators gave final approval to a bill that would remove the confederate flag from the capital grounds. the 36-3 vote sends the measure now to the state house where it faces a less certain future. this is all in response of course to last month's massacre at a charleston church. the accused shooter has a history of embracing confederate symbols. next up center seat. ohio governor and expected presidential candidate john

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tonight we welcome ohio governor and perspective presidential candidate john kasich to our center seat tonight. joining him on our panel, john

goldberg senior editor of national review. a.b. stoddard associated editor of the hill and syndicated columnist charles krauthammer. >> it's like the firing line. >> the old "meet the press". >> yes. >> i know the decision is yet to be made officially. july 21st is a date we all have on our calendar apparently. i want to ask you about some foreign policies happening now. iran deal is in extra overtime. apparently the administration striving to get this deal. what would you do as president with this deal? would you sign it as you see it developing now? we don't know all the particulars. >> i feel that it's very dangerous to fall in love with your own idea. and i think the administration has probably fallen in love with the fact that they want to get a degree. and when people are hyperventilating and unable to get one, sometimes they go and they sign something they shouldn't. just remember reagan where gorbachev said get rid of all nuclear weapons. i remember reagan getting back in the car and saying no we're

not going to do that. so you have to have the strength to walk away. the problem, bret on all this is just listen to our arab friends who say if you give the iranians all this cash by lifting the sanctions are going to fund hamas, hezbollah, who are the enemy to the arab nations that we have things in common with. and beyond that the proliferation of these weapons is really kind of unthinkable. and the consequences of that. so i don't think this is a good agreement. i would leave the sanctions on until i saw determined change in what iran is all about. i think i'm very concerned about this. >> you have some supporters we asked for twitter and facebook questions. one of them robert avery has a question. says he thinks you've done a great job as governor in ohio but what foreign relations experience would you bring to the presidency? >> i have a unique resume' in this whole field. i served on the defense committee for 18 years. and i was what you would call a cheap hawk. i believe in a strong defense

but i also believe it efficient defense. i was involved in procurement reform. i limited the productions of the b 2 so we could use those resources to build standoff weapons we saw in the first gulf war. and in addition to that, i was very involved in goldwater nichols which got the services to work together so they could fight together and really be effective together. so having spent 18 years being in the gulf before the first gulf war with soldiers out in the desert i was in many places around the world. but there's no substitute for working with some of the greatest defense minds in our history. and those are people like stenson tower and sam dunn folks they learned from and worked with them. it was great. >> charles. >> the other thing we learned today, the other news was the defense department announcing in hearings on the hill that we have trained exactly 60 syrians to go after isis. it's not exactly going to be a good fight. >> isis in syria or isis in

iraq? >> that's my question. if you're president, do you go after isis? where is your priority? isis in syria, isis in iraq? and what is your strategy depending on which of these approaches you take? do you go through the iraqi government? do you try to train a real force? do you work with the kurds? what would be the kasich policy? >> the first thing is the kurds are great. we hope to support them and have them become even stronger as a people. secondly i called john mccain many months ago saying we needed to support the opposition in syria. and i called john boehner and i said anything that i can do so we can begin to arm the opposition to assad to drive him out of power for a variety of reasons, including geopolitical which i know you know vis-a-vis iran the soviet union. i believe it was important. a couple months ago, maybe five months ago, i said we should be part of a coalition even if it means putting boots on the

ground. because as it relates to isis you either pay me now or pay me a heck of a lot later. i would probably -- i've listened to what the commanders would say on that. but at the same time my inclination would be to go to iraq. i would not be asking all this permission. i would go in there with a group of people. our allies. and i would begin to literally destroy isis. and the minute you begin to beat that caliphate, which is what it is the minute they're no longer quote ten feet tall in the eyes of people you begin to degrade their ability to be strong. and i think we can get on the offense. >> that's a large number of troops on the ground. are you prepared to do that? >> well i wouldn't say you have to have such a large number. i wouldn't go alone, charles. see, i think part of the problem is we have seen an eroding of our relationships with our friends who are our european allies. these relationships have gotten weaker. they need to be strong. we speak in some ways with a fractured voice while our enemies speak with a unified voice. and by the way, we have common

cause now with the saudis who want to get to stop funding the radicalism. but we have common cause with them. we have common cause with jordan. who would have ever thought we would see the saudis beginning to understand the plight of the israelis? we've got a lot of potential if we're able to communicate and lead from the front. one administration official said we ought to lead from the back. i've never heard of anybody leading from the back. i think it requires a group, a coalition. nato ought to be flexible and it needs to be -- we need to really strengthen all of nato charles, in my opinion. >> a.b.? >> if there is no deal with iran and they drag on and the negotiations continue if you become president in 2018 they will be fast on their way to the bomb. what do you do when you get in the door at that point if they

haven't been slowed down? >> look i think you keep the sanctions on. do i fear that the russians and chinese will weaken the sanctions? yeah. it's a concern. but yet the western world ought to hang together. we ought not let them get this money as quickly as they can. tell you what. i'm concerned about. if we do this deal right? we lift the sanctions. they get a lot of cash to support people who want to destroy the things that we believe in and at the same time they get the bomb. >> right. but what if they don't get sanctions relief and they don't get a deal? their one goal -- >> it's harder and harder for them to do this as long as these sanctions are on. >> but they will make progress between now and january. >> i think they're going to make progress anyway a.b. turn this over to the u.n. turn this over to inspectors let's see what the deal is at the end of the day, okay? but my sense is you least the sanctions on you keep economic pressure on them. you will begin to build additional disgruntled people inside of iran who are young

people just like you who say, i want a better tomorrow. but to lift the sanctions and to release the pressure i mean i'm not convinced they're not going to get advanced centrifuges. so i would keep the pressure on. >> governor you mentioned earlier about your role as a cheap hawk when you were on the hill. today the pentagon also confirmed are going to cut 40,000 troops from the u.s. army. do you think that there's a lot more room to cut out of the defense budget? >> no john look. i have a lot of people they talk to. i don't get duetutored by them but i bounce ideas off of. i was in a meeting the other day with dick allen, former national security adviser to president reagan and mr. snyder and john layman was in attendance at this. i'm very concerned that we have seen an erosion of our naval power. cutting more people in the armed forces i don't think makes sense. but what i will tell you is i'm sure you would agree with this.

there needs to be some dramatic and significant reform inside the pentagon. you have 900,000 people who act as bureaucrats inside that building. do you know how long it takes to field a weapons system? we need to deal with the infrastructure we don't need in this country anymore. we shouldn't have weapons systems that are outdated. and at the end of the day, we have to be able to project power and the ability to project power means you have mobility and lethality. now, these are not things i studied the other day. these are things i lived for 18 years. and frankly, i've stayed in touch with all these kinds of issues even when i've been out. this is not something. fixing the national security helping with our allies being able to have lethality and mobility being able to operate in asia in the south china sea, being able to arm the ukrainians being willing to strengthen the israelis. these are not things you learn on the job training. these are things you better have been working on for a very long time. because commander in chief is a serious job, not to be occupied

by people who are going to learn. we've just done that for eight years. and how has it worked? >> with that we will go to our second panel after the the break. governor kasich more with the panel. >> started to shout a little bit there. >> more to follow.

welcome back.

ohio governor john kasich is in our center seat tonight. governor again from our twitter questions, facebook questions, filip miles types in why do you support common core? as a teacher and a conservative i see it destroying education. >> well look. again i can only talk about ohio in my state we're raising standards. and the curriculum to meet those standards is being set by local school boards with advisory councils from parents. so we don't have anybody from the white house, from washington telling people what to do. i don't even tell schools what to do. but we want high standards. a couple of reasons. one is before ohio did not raise its standards and we fell farther behind compared to other states. secondly we need high standards in america because we need to compete in the world. and we see in math and in english when they measure us vis-a-vis the world, we're not doing very well. so high standards, but also local control. >> when you hear people like filip and others and this wave of concern about common core you think it's what? a misunderstand snlg. >> well in my state i'm just

telling you what we're doing. and we have the higher standards and the local control. we may ultimately not have the test that measures how kids perform. but you know a lot of schools now have been moving forward on this. and i'm not going to back up for high standards. we're not going to have lower standards. so everybody's more comfortable? no no no no no. >> a.b. >> governor immigration has divided your party for a long time. it is obviously the source of headlines right now because of donald trump's comments and people trying to distance themselves. this is an issue for hillary clinton that she's going to take to the bank. she said today that the republican party is on a spectrum of begrudging -- >> let's listen to hillary. we vet. >> i hear the republican candidates -- it's not only the ones who are the most vitriolic. none of them any longer support a path to citizenship. all of them would basically

consign immigrants to second-class status. >> can the nominee of the republican party win the general election without being supporting -- >> first of all if she wants to talk about me let her call me to figure out what my position is okay? as you know, i've ruffled feathers even in my own party. here's my view on immigration. first of all, seal the border. you can use modern technology to do it. i met with a republican immigration expert. i've talked to them a number of times. there's probably only 10% of the border that is not controllable and needs to be controlled. secondly if you've been here for a length of time we're going to legalize you and let you stay here but you'll pay a penalty. thirdly if you're sneaking in recently we ought to ship you back so we're not saying everybody the border is open come here. in addition to that we ought to modernize the immigration system, maybe even lift the capse employment or family here can come to america. i mean i don't think you can ship these people back. but i don't like the fact that they jump the line. now look i was here in '86 when

reagan actually had amnesty, okay? and everybody joined together. our problem was we didn't get the border fixed. and i'll tell you another thing. we also need aeks banded program so that people want to come into this country, work on a temporary basis, they can get here and go home. now they get here and they stay. they hide. so just get it fixed. as i told republicans, just get this done. i mean stop putting your head in the sand and stop arguing. let's have a rational immigration policy. you know america's a place where we invite people but we want them to come legally. >> so that legalization is probably -- going up against hillary clinton as the democratic nominee you probably think politically for the republican nominee in terms of facing a general elect orate. >> a.b. look. i don't base my position on polls, focus groups or anything else. it is not practical to think that -- fed-ex couldn't ship 12 million people out of here. let's find out who they are.

let's make sure if they're criminals we deport them or put them in prison. if they're law-abiding people and good families and working all those things they can stay. as to whether they should have a path to citizenship, i don't favor it. but we're not going to take any of that off the table at this point. and then fix the border. control the border. and take a look at the overall immigration system as it relates to people who have skill whose want to come into this country and work and be law-abiding. i don't see what's so complicated about this. you know the problem gets to be in politics those people who yell the loudest, those people who yell the loudest seem to get the most attention. but they don't represent the majority. by the way, i'm glad to see hillary is actually talking to a few people. i want to compliment her. >> governor so when you agreed to accept the medicaid expansion under obama care one of your explanations most famously was that when you go before the pearly gates you want to be able to explain what you did for the poor to st. peter. first of all -- >> that's not what i said. i advised somebody when you die and get to heaven st. peter

won't ask you if you balanced the budget. although i balanced the budget more than anybody. >> you did anytime your defense of expansion of medicaid. for those governors and other candidates and other republicans who oppose the expansion of medicaid are they putting their eternal souls in peril? >> that's not the issue. i was talking to a friend of mine here's what i would say. we brought obama money back to ohio to treat the mentally ill. i don't think you want to lock them up in a prison because they're schizophrenic and they talk wrong to a cop. i don't think they ought to be in prison. i think it's immoral and it costs us a fortune. the drug addicted ought to be rehand. we lock them up they come out, meet the drug dealer on the corner and they're back in prison. we are rehabbing them. our resaidcidivism rate is 10%. we give them healthcare so it can be rational. maybe some people want to lock up the mentally ill in prison. maybe some people want to throw away the drug addicted. but we're all made in the image of the lord. and i think that by us bringing

those resources back our people there's no money in washington. it's our money. we brought it back to ohio and we're fixing vexing problems. and, jonah our medicaid growth rate in ohio is growing at less than 4%. check that out with other -- >> you're making a leap from someone opposing medicaid expansion to that person wanting to jail medicaid -- >> here's what i'm saying to you, bret. if we didn't have these resources to be treating the mentally ill and helping the drug addicted they're likely to stay where they are. at $22500 a year for that person. and what i'm saying is if i have a choice this was my choice. do i leave them in the prison or do i try to rehab them? do i treat the mentally ill? we made a promise to them that we would treat them in the community. now, if somebody koozchooses not to do it that's up to them. that's on their conscience. for me i'm not going to ignore people who live in the shadows. this country needs a lift. >> and we need to take a commercial break. we have one more panel.

we'll start with charles right after a quick timeout. governor kasich in center seat.

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we're back with our panel and ohio governor john kasich in our center seat. charles? >> governor, you know the first debate is coming up. it's going to be in ohio. the rules as of today are that the top ten will get to the debate. the others will be in an earlier forum. right now you are 13th. so help us out. you used to be at fox. [ laughter ] >> how would you decide who gets in and who gets out other than what fox is using, which is an objective number and what would you do if you aren't in the top ten?

would you participate in the forum? >> well, charles we got a long way to go before that debate. >> 30 days. >> i will have a big announcement on the 21st. we will see what people say. part of the reason why i have low poll numbers is because i took care of ohio. i wasn't traveling around the country trying to build a national following. i was just trying to fix ohio. you know we have gone from 8 billion in the hole to 2 billion surplus up 360,000 jobs. cut taxes by 5 billion. i wouldn't exchange that for all the name i.d. that's what i was elected to do. we will see how it works out. we will see how these things go. that's nothing i can worry about in terms of telling fox how to do this? >> no, no. >> what, are you kidding? i used to work here. >> i was asking for advice. >> yeah. i hope that you guys need my advice. >> rules are set. cynthia bostic. >> hypothetical. >> what exactly distinguishes you from the rest of the g.o.p. pack? >> i think it's resume and

record. it's not just things i say' i want to do but things i have done. national security experience. being chairman of the committee balanced the budget for the first time since man walked on moon. i was one of the chief architects. we haven't balanced it since. private sector for 10 years and running ohio. turned things around. unique resume among those talking about running. we will see what the people have to say. >> just to clarify, if you don't make the top ten, are you going to be at the forum in cleveland? >> brit, what if you start off with three triple bogeys next saturday. >> just pack it up. >> i don't think about stuff like that. we have got a long way to go. you know, a month is like an eternity in politics and in life sometimes. so, we will see. >> we thank you for the time. stick around if you would. one more little thing. that's it for the panel. stay tuned to hear a point of pride for a perspective presidential candidate. announcer:

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how to hit a receiver. the strike zone. the net. you taught him how to hit the upper corner. you even taught him how to hit the open man. but how much time have you spent teaching him... what not to hit? finally tonight, is there a big television star in the 2016 presidential race? some might say donald trump i don't know. but apparently another presidential candidate doesn't want you to forget his time in front of the camera. >> many of you will remember i was a huge television star at fox news. [ laughter ] you remember that, yeah? and i was a huge television star at fox news for those that don't remember me. i was giant. >> i couldn't believe i was on fox you remember me, i was a big star. you remember.

[ laughter ] >> you might recall that i was a huge television star on fox news. >> okay. >> i was the star of heartland. y'all remember that. i know you want them to bring it back, but i'm not available at this point in time. >> governor, how about it? part of the stump speech. >> when my star outshines yours, i mean, it's hard for you to take. you know what? i loved being here -- the longer i was here. the key of television is letting go and enjoying yourself and having some fun. you know what? i think it's what's true in life. >> we thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> we appreciate it, governor. thank you for joining us and inviting us into your home. that's it for "special report," fair, balanced and >> it is wednesday july 8th. a fox news alert. the gun belonged to a federal agent. brand new bombshell details about where a man here illegally got the weapon he used to kill a

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